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March 13, 2013 / compassioninpolitics

Thinking about answering performative affirmatives that embody dystopian narratives and novels

Aff freedom tradesoff with negative freedom.
Aff creativity tradesoff with negative creativity–at least thats viable to win debates.
Thats why fairness & justice is a better standard.

Agent + actor is the only check the negative has on fair predictable debates.
You have to do 2 things. Thats not overly co-ersive.

Part II of that could be:

Its like 7-11 (capitalism) or MTV (mass commodification, mass commercials, and ). They stand for homogenization.

And empirically capitalism has coopted this rhetoric.
1. Nike’s Just do It
2. Levi’s commercial where thy read beatnic & romantic poets.
3. Freedom for oil companies comes at precious price for local cultures & peoples lives.

Government comes in and checks this–when they don’t get bought off.

Poltically:
1. The iraq war as an embracement of freedom (PS its also the reason wildness is bad)
2. Freedom to own as much property comes at the cost of the unfreedom of people who live meal to meal–who don’t know where they will find their next shelter, meal, or any number of things we take for granted
3. NRA stands for gun freedom….when it can mean fear–massive fear for others. (this is an argument to use selectively, but most should lean toward the left). You have to be ready to engage this one.

Thats a very selective and hyper-individualistic notion.

That gets back to “Lord of the Flies”

Note: the little association game I’m playing above….isn’t a real link argument. I can’t speak to how their claims of wildness will be cooped specifically.

You might even argue for a balance between the two. The cross-ex question about where they stand–forces them to take a stand on this question. And I think my framing in early emails explain why you are actually a balance.

Another dystopian novel might be–
1) how freedom became unfreedom (2008 crash)
2) some novel about the evils of corporations (oil, etc..)

Ideally they need to be future oriented (you might go look for a clear definition of what dystopian has to mean). You might point out empirical examples from the past. I think this gives you a more robust argument.
This might be super cheesy.

But I think Charlie & the Chocolate Factory is a dystopian novel about kids gone arwy. Not sure which ones you get. I think the one that is. Its a novel about self-control & but also not embracing too much wild. It also shows you can still embrace imagination while respecting common sense and maintaining self-control–not being the crazy kid–who basically commits suicide and misses the real opportunity because he/she is too interested in surface appearances. I’m sure you can find similar readings of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Also, if you use these….you might not have to use 1984.

Their zero-sum tradeoff is a MASSIVE myth. For instance, the Laffer Curve demonstrates this dynamic
in the area of economics. http://en.wikipedia….ki/Laffer_curve

Even Aristotle and his Golden mean support this: http://en.wikipedia….ki/Golden_mean_(philosophy)
The Golden mean might be a place where you could thow down on doing both….or at least where you might want a defense of how you embrace both frameworks. (although to be fair–thats your core thesis)

BTW, the romantic era is over for a reason. We learned better. Thats how progress works. Sorta.

Also, I don;t know why childrens fables and fairy tales don’t embody the same overall themes as dystopian. They are fantasy fiction which describes consequences via themes, symbols, and characters. Its dystopian for the characters involved–or those culture which follow the temptations they outline as being problematic. My guess is there are some of these that make similar points.

I think the Matrix itself could be a critique of freedom….but its mostly anti-system….so its a bit more dicey.

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  1. Nathan Ketsdever / Mar 13 2013 5:04 pm

    Here are some other dystopian novels:

    1. I, Robot. The robot is probably rationality out of control. I think it would be interesting to frame them as rationality run out of control. Where there is no fairness, no accountability, and no freedom–thats where our use of syllogistic logic has run counter to everything that is intuitive & truthful & meaningful.
    2. Idiocracy. Great example.

    If I were to guess……they might argue that civilization results in attempts to eliminate the “alien”

    3. Hunger Games (???)
    4. I Am Legend (???)
    5. Mad Max

    One and two are probably the best.

    Also, not all systems are rational systems or fair systems or just systems or respect the dignity of the individual.

    Topicality is only ridiculous and anti-freedom when it restricts the core of the topic.

  2. Nathan Ketsdever / Mar 13 2013 5:33 pm

    Who is the savage and what do they represent?

    By capitalizing it goes beyond just a person. It stands for a principle. Its a symbol.

    You need ideally evidence from their author perhaps (if possible).

    In re-reading their outline….I think they suggest the savage only does and
    means one thing….that is tearing down facism.

    You need to state directly a world without laws, without controls, without
    accountability, without ethics……that is facism. You have no mechanism
    to check. The poor and weak are particularly disadvantaged without a
    government mechanism to provide key protections.

    The progressive reforms of food products are the classic example of
    the need for government, minimalist controls,

    The liberal state checks itself.
    A social contract like the debate community via the resolution & topicality checks itself.

    To borrow a phrase from the Big Lebowski, a dystopian movie in its own right “This isn’t Vietnam…there are
    rules.”

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